Tulpa.info - metaphysics

At least them claiming to be non-human.

1:04 AM

I am rather lost if you are saying you are changelingkin or if it your form or not.

I don't see the issue with a mental being identifying as anything. They can perfectly emulate aspects of any being, though it is obvious they are still running on human hardware. If you believe that tulpa are more than psychological beings then that opens more possibilities. (edited)

tulpabug - Today at 18:54 Kintype is complicated by tulpas.

None of this is complicated by tulpas

1:09 AM

Fictionkin is believing your are a fictional race and is usually not spiritual in nature. "Shifting" into it wouldn't do anything to the tulpas since they are in your mind and your are only changing your view. Switching with a fictional character doesn't make you fictionkin, just the current fronter.

I do not, I believe that tulpas are humans.

Also, why can't a tulpa be a certain type of being and a tulpa at the same time? It is a title given to people created through a certain process of birthing, not a race or species.

Because they live in human bodies.

1:12 AM

They use human brains.

1:12 AM

They are indeed human.

Not in the metaphysics channel they aren't

(edited)

Is a human not thought of being a certain shape just because all humans are a certain shape? If you stick a human brain in a jar, is the person speaking from that brain still human?

but, wouldn’t you act differently towards your tulpa during a shift? and shouldn’t they act differently towards you? it’s like you’re not the same person, right?

Human is a species.

1:13 AM

The body they physically have meets the standard for human.

It would be like a personality change, take it like any other personality change.

I can change if I am being kind or rude. I cannot change species.

It really depends on the person. Shadow for instance doesn't treat me any differently when I shift. I only really shift when I'm angry. "default" I'm Maria Robotnik.

hmm

Species is also not a personality trait.

True. Many fictionkin have metaphysical beliefs about how they can be non-human.

I think barring physical shape, any sort of identification or "species" is more so from personal whim or environmental response, imo

I can accept someone identifying that way, what I cannot accept is that they actually are.

In metaphysical beliefs tulpas don't truly inhabit the body though

As in a nonphysical place, why would you need a 3-D form ish? It just seems counter intuitive

Because 4D doesn't exist everywhere outside the physical

We are allowed to offer critisim in here, as long as it makes sense, from a non-meta point of view. Being respectful, of course.

I believe there is a spectrum of metaphysical belief, and tulpas do inhabit the body for most of that spectrum.

And really, it does only make sense that tulpas live within the body, otherwise they would not be attached to it.

it's pretty difficult for a human brain to visualize in 4 dimensions since that's more dimensions than its ever been in

You can believe in certain metaphysical beliefs and not others Albino

they have software renderings of what it'd look like though

Hm, our physical brain yes but where is our thought space per se

1:17 AM

Our "mental realm"

That is true. I am unsure how you would even define the "meta beliefs".

We live in a 4D space. One of those dimensions is time.

Is that in physicality? Or some sort of weird realm we access with our brain, sort of like the virtual realm and computers

Like literally according to einstein.

Aha.

Brains can be seen as zero dimensional or n-dimensional because they respect the paradigm of random access memory. (edited)

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1:19 AM

What does that have to do with it

I would like you to cite a source, bug.

If you are in a finite-dimensional space, then there is a minimum shortest distance between two points.

Anyways I don't have much time I just wanted to stir the pot a little >.>

This is really mathy though.

Ok, I don't feel my astral limbs unless I'm upset. If that makes more sense.

Astral limbs?

1:20 AM

Was Maria from the game not a human?

My other kins are a xenomorph, nuclear monster and N.I.D.S (Virus/Parasite)

What limbs does a virus have?

1:21 AM

Also, how many kins can you have?

I just like got so confused after that statement

Sometimes when I wake up I can feel my entire changeling body in place of the host body.

How is it kin if you have multiple of them?

I am also confused.

1:22 AM

That is strange, tulpabug.

1:23 AM

I have not experienced this, nor have I heard of this from other people. Please, go on.

Tis normal

It is not within the norm, no.

If enough forcing is done into the tulpa's body then it will be on par in sensation to the host's body

Has he forced?

1:24 AM

I have not heard of this.

what do you mean, how is it kin if you have multiple of them?

So kin is identifying as a fictional character or race, how are you gonna identify as multiple of them?

Goodbye. I need leave.

Like you can't be all of them at once can you?

I have been forced. We went through many exercises.

hmm... well, you can't shift as everyone all at* once (edited)

1:26 AM

it's like a personality

1:26 AM

you could have a lot of traits

Then wouldn't that be shapeshiting for just shifting into that fictional character or race?

1:26 AM

And not actually being them

well, i don't go into anything as far as otherkin, and rather just stay in the fickin side... so, if it's different, then i don't know how it works

The virus is more of a fictional type of virus where it turns me into something like a monster. Compare it with the show parasyte (if you've ever seen it)

also, i don't think i understand what you mean in your sentence, @Albino Elephant

like the T-virus

Like if you need to shift into it to be it and you aren't otherwise then you aren't actually that thing. You just become that thing at certain points.

1:29 AM

Like a transwoman is a woman cause they have permanently transitioned into being a woman, but if it is a temporary thing then it isn't you all the time

1:29 AM

Therefore the -kin suffix wouldn't really apply

okay, i see what you mean

1:30 AM

thanks for clarifying

1:31 AM

i'm not sure if it works differently for other people, and it might, but from what i understand, there's different types of kins

1:31 AM

there's ids, which is where you strongly believe that you are them, regardless of shift

People with multiple genders are often referred to as bigender or gender fluid.

1:31 AM

Trans does not always imply transition.

but even then, some people have multiple IDs... i don't really know how to explain how it's possible, because i don't understand why it's not possible

1:32 AM

it just works that way

1:33 AM

i think, maybe, it's like having multiple past lives

1:33 AM

you could be more than just one person in your past life, because you could have several past lives, right? in some sort of long reincarnation cycle

I suppose that would make sense for the multiverse approach

I guess a person could have multiple kins the same way people can identify with multiply ethnicities or races

But the thing is that ethnicities are parts of you, multiple kins as they have been explained so far do not work the same way.

like, if you can have multiple past lives you can have multiple kins MarkdownContext { Depth = 1 }

also as CIA papers go this one is definitely the most interesting I've encountered: https://www.cia.gov/library/readingroom/docs/CIA-RDP96-00788R001700210016-5.pdf

Wait. Quantum mechanics of human consciousness?

12:47 PM

Err, you failed to remove a stigma by falling into one of the big traps.

erm, not as origins of consciousness, at any rate

I think the theory of hypnosis being put forward is incorrect.